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The French Debate: Free Speech Versus Hate Speech

Feb 10, 2015
Originally published on February 13, 2015 4:15 pm

When terrorists attacked a satirical magazine in Paris last month, killing eight journalists, millions took to the streets in support of free speech. They waved pencils and carried signs in solidarity with the magazine Charlie Hebdo.

But in the weeks since those attacks, scores have also been arrested for condoning terrorism and inciting racial and religious hatred. Many now wonder if the government's crackdown on hate speech is compromising free speech.

One of those arrested in the wake of the attacks was controversial stand-up comedian Dieudonne M'Bala M'bala. Last Wednesday, a judge ordered him to pay the equivalent of a $37,000 fine for condoning terrorism.

The comic has faced prosecution many times in the past for his crude, anti-Semitic jokes. This time it was for posting "I feel like Charlie Coulibaly" on his Facebook page. The judge said Dieudonne's remark was clear support for Amedy Coulibaly, the gunman who killed a police officer and four people in a kosher grocery store.

Dieudonne's lawyer Jacques Verdier says his client is consistently denied the same freedom of expression that magazine Charlie Hebdo is granted.

"Dieudonne is constantly hounded and harassed, which is why he said he feels like a terrorist," says Verdier.

In France, as in the United States, people are free to express their opinions. But in France that freedom of speech ends at insulting others based on their race, religion or sex.

"Hate speech laws were inspired by the horrors of the Second World War, and in particular the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews," says Christopher Mesnooh, an American attorney who practices law in France.

Jean-Yves Camus is a specialist on extremist organizations. He says French hate speech laws have evolved over time. They were first enacted in 1939 to fight the enormous amount of anti-Semitic propaganda in the popular press.

In the 1970s they were strengthened to protect Muslims. And in the late 1980s the French parliament passed a law making it a crime to deny the Holocaust. This was in response to the realization among the French public of the extent of the crimes committed by the Vichy collaborationist government.

"And then, after 9/11, we saw a huge growth of Islamist fundamentalism, which was very active on the Internet," says Camus. "So lawmakers and anti-racism groups again strengthened hate speech laws to take this into account."

But for France's nearly 6 million Muslims, Charlie Hebdo being allowed to insult Islam while others are jailed for racist remarks seems hypocritical.

Myriam Doudech, 36, says she condemns the attack on the journalists who drew caricatures of the prophet Mohammed. But as a Muslim, she sees a double standard when it comes to free speech.

"You know, in France you cannot attack some religions, but they laugh about Islam," she says. "We all need respect. But the rules have to be the same for everybody."

Camus says some people are confusing hate speech with blasphemy, which was abolished as a crime after the French Revolution.

"You really can make fun in France of any religion. And this is what the Muslim community has to understand," says Camus. "We have this tradition and we will stand by it."

People who would have been fined for hate speech before the attacks are now facing jail terms. One defense lawyer denounced what he called a collective hysteria gripping the nation.

But Camus says Muslims have also been protected by hate speech laws. He says people must understand the difference between attacking a belief and attacking individuals.

"You can say, for example, that you stand against Islam, but you cannot say anything negative about Muslims as a group," he says.

Camus says the French won't tolerate a U.S.-style Patriot Act that gives the government surveillance powers over the private lives of citizens. But the French will accept stricter limits on freedom of speech to stop the spread of terrorist ideology, he says.

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After the deadly terrorist attacks in Paris last month, the French government has vowed to toughen its reaction to hate speech. Dozens of people have been arrested for hate speech and defending terrorism, leaving some to wonder if the crackdown on hate speech will compromise free speech. NPR's Eleanor Beardsley has more.

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ELEANOR BEARDSLEY, BYLINE: Nearly 4 million people took to the streets of France in solidarity after the attacks against the magazine Charlie Hebdo. They carried signs saying, I am Charlie and waved pencils in support of freedom of expression. But since those attacks, nearly a hundred people have been investigated either for condoning terrorism or inciting racial or religious hatred.

DIEUDONNE M'BALA M'BALA: (Speaking French).

BEARDSLEY: One of them was controversial stand-up comedian Dieudonne M'bala M'bala who was ordered to pay a $37,000 fine last Wednesday. The comedian has been prosecuted many times in the past for anti-Semitic speech. This time it was for posting, I feel like Charlie Coulibaly, on his Facebook page. The prosecutor called the remark clear support for Amedy Coulibaly, the gunman who killed four people in a kosher market. Jacques Verdier is Dieudonne's lawyer.

JACQUES VERDIER: (Through interpreter) My client is consistently denied the same freedom of expression that Charlie Hebdo magazine is granted. He is constantly hounded and harassed in his own country, which is why he said he feels like a terrorist.

BEARDSLEY: In France, like in the United States, people are free to express their opinions. But in France, that freedom stops at racial or religious attacks on others. American attorney Christopher Mesnooh practices law in France.

CHRISTOPHER MESNOOH: There are a few laws in France which restrict free speech on the basis of insulting different races and religions and ethnic groups. These laws really were inspired by the horrors of the Second World War and in particular the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews.

BEARDSLEY: But for France's nearly 6 million Muslims, Charlie Hebdo being allowed to insult Islam while the government cracks down on hate speech seems hypocritical. At a Paris shopping mall, 36-year-old Myriam Doudech, who is Muslim, says she condemns the attack on the journalists who drew caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, but she sees a double standard when it comes to free speech.

MYRIAM DOUDECH: You know, in France, you cannot attack some religion, but they laugh about Islam. It's amazing. We are all the same. We are all human. Everybody needs respect, but the rules have to be the same for everybody.

BEARDSLEY: Jean-Yves Camus, who studies political extremism, says some people are confusing hate speech with blasphemy, which was abolished as a crime after the French Revolution.

JEAN-YVES CAMUS: So you can really make fun in France of any religion, and this is what the Muslim community has to understand. We have this tradition, and we will stand by it.

BEARDSLEY: People who would've been fined for hate speech before the attacks are now facing jail terms. One defense lawyer denounced what he called a collective hysteria gripping the nation. But Camus says Muslims have also been protected by hate speech laws. He says people must understand the difference between attacking a belief and attacking individuals.

CAMUS: You can say, for example, that you stand against Islam, but you cannot say anything negative about Muslims as a group.

BEARDSLEY: Camus says while the French won't tolerate a kind of Patriot Act with government surveillance of citizens' private lives, they will accept stricter limits on freedom of speech to stop the spread of terrorist ideology. Eleanor Beardsley, NPR News, Paris. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.